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	<title>Comments on: On The Scene: Flourish Report from Day #1</title>
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	<description>Thoughts on Sustainability and Stewardship</description>
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		<title>By: The Pad</title>
		<link>http://kingsgreenpad.ca/?p=1056&#038;cpage=1#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>The Pad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 09:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

     Thanks for commenting.  It is a an honor to have you post on The King&#039;s Green Pad!  You have been a leader in the creation care movement for a decade and a half - much longer than most of the rest of us - certainly including myself.  I apologize if I painted you into a corner in my post.  It was not intentional, as I have tremendous respect for you AS AN ENVIRONMENTALIST, and Floresta is perhaps one of the best examples (if not the best example) of a Christian organization clearly linking social sustainability with environmental sustainability in a practical and transformative way.  Perhaps the problem with my post was that I didn&#039;t listen very well, rather than that you did not communicate well.  As you said - God can use all of us - thank you for your grace!  

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>     Thanks for commenting.  It is a an honor to have you post on The King&#8217;s Green Pad!  You have been a leader in the creation care movement for a decade and a half &#8211; much longer than most of the rest of us &#8211; certainly including myself.  I apologize if I painted you into a corner in my post.  It was not intentional, as I have tremendous respect for you AS AN ENVIRONMENTALIST, and Floresta is perhaps one of the best examples (if not the best example) of a Christian organization clearly linking social sustainability with environmental sustainability in a practical and transformative way.  Perhaps the problem with my post was that I didn&#8217;t listen very well, rather than that you did not communicate well.  As you said &#8211; God can use all of us &#8211; thank you for your grace!  </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 05:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of sounding defensive, I would like to clarify that I did not in fact apologize for being an environmentalist and a Christian.  I said that I was a &quot;reluctant convert to environmentalism,&quot; which speaks more about where I was 17 years ago when I first became an environmental advocate than how I feel about the word or the movement today.  

I apparently did not communicate that well.  Thankfully God can use all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of sounding defensive, I would like to clarify that I did not in fact apologize for being an environmentalist and a Christian.  I said that I was a &#8220;reluctant convert to environmentalism,&#8221; which speaks more about where I was 17 years ago when I first became an environmental advocate than how I feel about the word or the movement today.  </p>
<p>I apparently did not communicate that well.  Thankfully God can use all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Flourish - the final report &#124; The King's Green Pad</title>
		<link>http://kingsgreenpad.ca/?p=1056&#038;cpage=1#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Flourish - the final report &#124; The King's Green Pad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - Day 3  (See Day 1 and Day [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://kingsgreenpad.ca/?p=1056&#038;cpage=1#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering 1), aside from just residual discomfort with the larger movement, there may be a good reason to dislike being called &#039;environmentalists&#039;: it reinforces the perception that the natural order is simply our &#039;environment,&#039; the surrounding circumstances we live in, and may even suggest a fundamental division between &#039;us&#039; and &#039;our&#039; environment. Creation care may sound hokey, but at least it acknowledges we are part of creation like everything else.

As for 2), I can&#039;t put my finger on it, but I feel there is likely a reason the people of God throughout the Old and New Testament worship in buildings. Certainly the early church deemphasizes how &#039;sacred&#039; the building has to be - they appear perfectly happy to meet in houses - but they don&#039;t exit altogether. It&#039;s also revealing how the New Jerusalem in Revelation is not described as a garden, but a garden-city. Clearly the Bible resists any pure &#039;back-to-nature&#039; ethos.

Yet I agree, much of our construction, maintenance, and use of buildings is sinful, if not practically idolatrous. 

3 is tough. I certainly believe caring for creation is a virtue; clearly others do not. I would suggest, though, that the first step is not to attack on this issue (if you don&#039;t recycle your salvation may be in doubt!) but to &#039;cultivate&#039; the desire to worship God rightly in every area of life and the willingness to re-assess how that is to be done. Then dialogue is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering 1), aside from just residual discomfort with the larger movement, there may be a good reason to dislike being called &#8216;environmentalists&#8217;: it reinforces the perception that the natural order is simply our &#8216;environment,&#8217; the surrounding circumstances we live in, and may even suggest a fundamental division between &#8216;us&#8217; and &#8216;our&#8217; environment. Creation care may sound hokey, but at least it acknowledges we are part of creation like everything else.</p>
<p>As for 2), I can&#8217;t put my finger on it, but I feel there is likely a reason the people of God throughout the Old and New Testament worship in buildings. Certainly the early church deemphasizes how &#8216;sacred&#8217; the building has to be &#8211; they appear perfectly happy to meet in houses &#8211; but they don&#8217;t exit altogether. It&#8217;s also revealing how the New Jerusalem in Revelation is not described as a garden, but a garden-city. Clearly the Bible resists any pure &#8216;back-to-nature&#8217; ethos.</p>
<p>Yet I agree, much of our construction, maintenance, and use of buildings is sinful, if not practically idolatrous. </p>
<p>3 is tough. I certainly believe caring for creation is a virtue; clearly others do not. I would suggest, though, that the first step is not to attack on this issue (if you don&#8217;t recycle your salvation may be in doubt!) but to &#8216;cultivate&#8217; the desire to worship God rightly in every area of life and the willingness to re-assess how that is to be done. Then dialogue is possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Flourish Day 2 &#124; The King's Green Pad</title>
		<link>http://kingsgreenpad.ca/?p=1056&#038;cpage=1#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Flourish Day 2 &#124; The King's Green Pad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I LOVED Flourish today and really appreciate the many relationships I&#8217;ve made through this conference.  The sub-text of Flourish is &#8220;Reviving Lives and Landscapes.&#8221;  I feel revived and inspired, and have surrendered many (maybe not yet all - see below) of the disappointment I expressed yesterday. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I LOVED Flourish today and really appreciate the many relationships I&#8217;ve made through this conference.  The sub-text of Flourish is &#8220;Reviving Lives and Landscapes.&#8221;  I feel revived and inspired, and have surrendered many (maybe not yet all &#8211; see below) of the disappointment I expressed yesterday. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Pad</title>
		<link>http://kingsgreenpad.ca/?p=1056&#038;cpage=1#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>The Pad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick follow-up.  I am live at the evening panel session now and have really appreciated hearing from Jonathan Merritt, who received applause when he stood up and claimed &quot;I am an environmentalist!&quot;  He also had a fun quote that could be a bit misconstrued, but I liked it in the context of a creation care conference.  He stated, &quot;The Evangelical movement needs a little death.&quot;  Nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick follow-up.  I am live at the evening panel session now and have really appreciated hearing from Jonathan Merritt, who received applause when he stood up and claimed &#8220;I am an environmentalist!&#8221;  He also had a fun quote that could be a bit misconstrued, but I liked it in the context of a creation care conference.  He stated, &#8220;The Evangelical movement needs a little death.&#8221;  Nice!</p>
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